That is the load-bearing claim of Julia Lampert’s new book. I spent three hours trying to break it.

Then she gave me a word I had never used.

Her doctorate was on utopias, dystopias, and atopias in Jerusalem 2060. An atopia is the place between the two, where you cannot quite say what it is.

We talk about AI in utopia and dystopia all the time. Both vivid. Both well funded.

The atopia is the part nobody has language for yet. It may also be the part we end up living in.

Her book is a manual for the How. My argument, for fifteen years now, is that technology is the How and never the Why or the What.

She agrees. That is what makes her worth arguing with.

The How is getting cheap, fast, and very good. The Why is not on sale anywhere.

So what are you actually optimizing for?

Three hours with Julia Lampert, her first podcast interview anywhere.

#AI #FutureOfWork #Leadership.

Full conversation, audio, video and the write-up: [ https://snglrty.co/3Vs7rVZ](https://snglrty.co/3Vs7rVZ)

Julia Lampert on becoming AI native: atopias, orientation as the scarcest resource, and why democracies may still win the AI age.