{"id":82423,"date":"2018-09-08T07:22:30","date_gmt":"2018-09-08T14:22:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lifeboat.com\/blog\/2018\/09\/this-transcription-of-a-discussion-on-christian-transhumanism-fb-clarifies-that-their-founder-revd-benek-is-trying-to-subvert-the-trans-posthuman-movement-and-what-he-they-mean-by-transh"},"modified":"2018-09-08T07:22:30","modified_gmt":"2018-09-08T14:22:30","slug":"this-transcription-of-a-discussion-on-christian-transhumanism-fb-clarifies-that-their-founder-revd-benek-is-trying-to-subvert-the-trans-posthuman-movement-and-what-he-they-mean-by-transh","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lifeboat.com\/blog\/2018\/09\/this-transcription-of-a-discussion-on-christian-transhumanism-fb-clarifies-that-their-founder-revd-benek-is-trying-to-subvert-the-trans-posthuman-movement-and-what-he-they-mean-by-transh","title":{"rendered":"This transcription of a discussion on Christian Transhumanism FB clarifies that their founder (Revd Benek) is trying to SUBVERT the trans\/ posthuman movement, and what he\/ they mean by \u201cTranshuman\u201d is not FM-2030\u2019s notion of evolution from human via transitional stage to posthuman, but is set AGAINST progress and wishes to retain the human condition, and convert everybody to Jesus-worship if they can"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Christopher Benek \u201cThere is not a square inch in the whole domain of our human existence over which Christ, who is Sovereign over all, does not cry, Mine!\u201d \u2014 Abraham Kuyper Christopher Benek Steve Nichols May I ask then \u2014 why are you in this group? Steve Nichols \u201cThere is not a square inch in the whole domain of our human existence over which Christ, who is Sovereign over all, does not cry, Mine!\u201d I suspect Christian transhumanists of trying to infiltrate and subvert the wider radical futurist movement (evidenced by such quotes as above). I am here to provide balance and sanity. Christopher Benek Why Steve you don\u2019t need to suspect it \u2014 I\u2019ll affirm it. As a matter of fact it is part of the reason why I co-founded the CTA \u2014 to reclaim and redeem that which was what was falsely appropriated to begin with, that which is all of humanity\u2019s divine vocation \u2014 not just as some \u201cradical\u201d group\u2019s road to isolationist technological tyranny. In fairness though, I don\u2019t think that Micah or I have ever denied that fact. And hey we welcome any accountability that you want to provide as long as that goes both ways. In short all we ask is that folks here genuinely and lovingly seek to play nice with others. Steve Nichols Christopher Benek having been involved with trans \/posthuman movement since the 1980\u2019s, Christians have hardly featured other than times such as when the Pope (no less) and other vocal Christians have condemned trans\/ posthumans. You can hardly \u201creclaim\u201d that of which Christianity was never a part, and in fact has mostly been (and remains on the whole) in opposition to. Since you welcome accountability, what authority do you have (other than tall tales in the bible) to claim determination of \u201call of humanity\u2019s divine vocation\u201d? I appreciate that I am a guest here, and always try to be polite. Christopher Benek Steve Nichols See assumptions on terminology is where we differ \u2014 I have contended \u2014 for quite some time now \u2014 \u201cthat the \u201ctrans\u201d part of transhumanim doesn\u2019t mean \u201cpost\u201d but instead \u201cacross \u2014 the scope of what it might mean to be made human\u201d which i think we are on the very front end of understanding. In that regard \u2014 all of the historic parts of the church \u2014 particularly those elements that were missionary in origin were taking, creating and using tech to help people throughout the world. In fact, the \u201ctall tales\u201d as you put it of the Bible (which by the way obviously weren\u2019t written to be taken literally in all places \u2014 when Jesus says \u201cI am the door\u201d he doesn\u2019t mean that literally) constantly talks about how God was instructing humans how to fashion and use tech to protect and improve relationships. I think that is a good guidepost for our future as well. Tech is deep in Christian history and its only since the false narratives of the like of the \u201cNew Atheists\u201d (as if an actual atheist even exists) that anyone has questioned that\u2026 Yes, Christians don\u2019t put tech (or anything) before God \u2014 but that doesn\u2019t mean we don\u2019t acknowledge its crucial importance as a hermeneutical and practical device for understanding and actually being human.\u201d Since Benek reposts copies of his own discussions with Zoltan (and maybe others) on CTA list, he can have no objections to me reproducing his comments here.<\/p>\n

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