{"id":218344,"date":"2025-07-20T10:06:35","date_gmt":"2025-07-20T15:06:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lifeboat.com\/blog\/2025\/07\/levin-%ce%bb-friston-%ce%bb-fields-meta-hard-problem-of-consciousness"},"modified":"2025-07-20T10:06:35","modified_gmt":"2025-07-20T15:06:35","slug":"levin-%ce%bb-friston-%ce%bb-fields-meta-hard-problem-of-consciousness","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lifeboat.com\/blog\/2025\/07\/levin-%ce%bb-friston-%ce%bb-fields-meta-hard-problem-of-consciousness","title":{"rendered":"Levin \u039b Friston \u039b Fields: \u201cMeta\u201d Hard Problem of Consciousness"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><\/p>\n<p><iframe style=\"display: block; margin: 0 auto; width: 100%; aspect-ratio: 4\/3; object-fit: contain;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/J6eJ44Jq_pw?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope;\n   picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Karl Friston, Michael Levin, and Chris Field sit down for an epochal conversation on cognition and consciousness.<br \/> Sponsor: Brilliant: <a href=\"https:\/\/brilliant.org\/TOE\">https:\/\/brilliant.org\/TOE<\/a> for 20% off.<\/p>\n<p>Patreon: <a href=\"https:\/\/patreon.com\/curtjaimungal\">https:\/\/patreon.com\/curtjaimungal<\/a>.<br \/> Crypto: <a href=\"https:\/\/tinyurl.com\/cryptoTOE\">https:\/\/tinyurl.com\/cryptoTOE<\/a><br \/> PayPal: <a href=\"https:\/\/tinyurl.com\/paypalTOE\">https:\/\/tinyurl.com\/paypalTOE<\/a><br \/> Twitter: <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TOEwithCurt\">https:\/\/twitter.com\/TOEwithCurt<\/a>.<br \/> Discord Invite: <a href=\"https:\/\/discord.com\/invite\/kBcnfNVwqs\">https:\/\/discord.com\/invite\/kBcnfNVwqs<\/a>.<br \/> iTunes: <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/ca\/podcast\/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal\/id1521758802\">https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/ca\/podcast\/better-left-unsaid-wit\u20261521758802<\/a><br \/> Pandora: <a href=\"https:\/\/pdora.co\/33b9lfP\">https:\/\/pdora.co\/33b9lfP<\/a><br \/> Spotify: <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e\">https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e<\/a>.<br \/> Subreddit r\/TheoriesOfEverything: <a href=\"https:\/\/reddit.com\/r\/theoriesofeverything\">https:\/\/reddit.com\/r\/theoriesofeverything<\/a>.<br \/> Merch: <a href=\"https:\/\/tinyurl.com\/TOEmerch\">https:\/\/tinyurl.com\/TOEmerch<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>CORRECTION:<br \/> - Chris Fields emailed me the following: \u201cI referred to Peter Strawson when I meant to refer to his son, Galen Strawson, who has done the work on panpsychism.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>LINKS MENTIONED:<br \/> - Curt\u2019s AMA #:3 <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/SX9q2D6b5bc\">https:\/\/youtu.be\/SX9q2D6b5bc<\/a>.<br \/> - Karl Friston #2: <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/SWtFU1Lit3M\">https:\/\/youtu.be\/SWtFU1Lit3M<\/a><br \/> - Karl Friston #1: <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/2v7LBABwZKA\">https:\/\/youtu.be\/2v7LBABwZKA<\/a><br \/> - Michael Levin: <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/Z0TNfysTazc\">https:\/\/youtu.be\/Z0TNfysTazc<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>TIMESTAMPS:<br \/> 00:00:00 Introduction.<br \/> 00:03:20 Michael Levin answers: \u201cWhat do you respect about Chris \/ Karl?\u201c<br \/> 00:04:45 Chris Fields answers: \u201cWhat do you respect about Michael \/ Karl?\u201c<br \/> 00:05:45 Karl Friston answers: \u201cWhat do you respect about Chris \/ Michael?\u201c<br \/> 00:07:46 Self organization \/ Autopoiesis \/ Why does life form?<br \/> 00:12:11 How does cognition emerge from smaller parts?<br \/> 00:14:18 Why do we see \u201cthings\u201d independent from one another? Why in space \/ time?<br \/> 00:18:40 Relationship between cognition and consciousness.<br \/> 00:22:03 The Meta Hard Problem.<br \/> 00:30:37 Why is complexity associated with \u201cawareness\u201d?<br \/> 00:35:56 Is society one large brain, with each person acting as a neuron?<br \/> 00:44:17 Duality between: Did you act on the world? Or did the world act on you?<br \/> 00:51:32 Babbling, and becoming a \u201cself\u201c<br \/> 01:11:22 \u201c300 milliseconds\u201d is a special unit of time for consciousness.<br \/> 01:15:49 Quantum Babbling.<br \/> 01:21:49 The difference between \u201crandomness\u201d and \u201cquantum randomness\u201c<br \/> 01:30:03 The difference between \u201cexternal\u201d and \u201cinternal\u201d are both real and illusory.<br \/> 01:33:41 Studying consciousness \/ the self and the concomitant existential dread.<br \/> 01:48:19 Michael Levin: \u201cSomething important goes all the way down\u201c<br \/> 01:51:12 Science starts with faith.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Karl Friston, Michael Levin, and Chris Field sit down for an epochal conversation on cognition and consciousness. Sponsor: Brilliant: https:\/\/brilliant.org\/TOE for 20% off. Patreon: https:\/\/patreon.com\/curtjaimungal. Crypto: https:\/\/tinyurl.com\/cryptoTOE PayPal: https:\/\/tinyurl.com\/paypalTOE Twitter: https:\/\/twitter.com\/TOEwithCurt. Discord Invite: https:\/\/discord.com\/invite\/kBcnfNVwqs. iTunes: https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/ca\/podcast\/better-left-unsaid-wit\u20261521758802 Pandora: https:\/\/pdora.co\/33b9lfP Spotify: https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e. Subreddit r\/TheoriesOfEverything: https:\/\/reddit.com\/r\/theoriesofeverything. Merch: https:\/\/tinyurl.com\/TOEmerch. CORRECTION: \u2014 Chris Fields emailed me the following: \u201cI referred [\u2026]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":661,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1617,8],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-218344","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-quantum-physics","category-space"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/lifeboat.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/218344","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/lifeboat.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/lifeboat.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lifeboat.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/661"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lifeboat.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=218344"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/lifeboat.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/218344\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/lifeboat.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=218344"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lifeboat.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=218344"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lifeboat.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=218344"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}