Comments on: No one knows at what Likelihood Black Holes will be produced in June at CERN

By: Otto E. Rossler

Otto E. Rossler — Mon, 15 Jun 2015 18:01:44 +0000

Sorry, I meant: https://ottorossler.wordpress.com

By: Otto E. Rossler

Otto E. Rossler — Mon, 15 Jun 2015 15:26:14 +0000

I forgot to mention my co-authored book “Chaotic Harmony.”

And I would like to mention ottorossler on WordPress.com as an opportunity for further exchanges.

By: Otto E. Rössler

Otto E. Rössler — Wed, 27 May 2015 07:22:06 +0000

Thank you, Bruce, for having brought-in a both humanistic and humorous perspective in continuation of a millennia-old tradition.
Otto

By: Bruce Berman

Bruce Berman — Wed, 27 May 2015 04:20:12 +0000

THE DARKER SIDE OF CERN

There is a lot of serious decision on CERN all over the internet. Many believe they are trying to open a door/ porthole into another dimension.

What’s up with the statue of the god Shiva just outside of CERN’S office? Shiva is known as the destroyer god. What does the destroyer god have to do with CERN?

The town that the LHC complex is situated-Saint Genis Pouilly-was in Roman times called Apolliacum, the town and a temple being dedicated to Apollyon.
APOLLYON. The Greek name, meaning “Destroyer,” given in Revelation 9:11 for “the angel of the bottomless pit” As bottomless pits go, I cannot think of anything more bottomless than a black hole.

Is it just a coincidence that CERN is short for the horned God Cernunnos? In Revelation 9 a door is opened in the earth and out comes Apollyon the destroyer.
Is it coincidence that the LHC was located in the very place where a temple/town dedicated to the king of the bottomless pit or is it by design?

CERN is responsible for birthing the internet and do you want to know what they call their computer? THE BEAST, the beast from the bottomless pit perhaps?

It was also reported that in 1999 CERN proposed and carried out quantum Vortex experiments searching for Solar Axions. Axions are hypothetical particles that are components of dark matter. In order to find these Axions CERN proposed the use of a decommissioned magnet called SATAN.

There are, of course, no coincidences!

By: Otto E. Rossler

Otto E. Rossler — Tue, 12 May 2015 15:23:40 +0000

No, this is a misunderstanding: They are never finished in finite outer time, but they are nevertheless (via the Birkhoff theorem which says that outside a radius that comprises all the mass in its interior, all external gravitational effects are the same as if the mass had been contracted even more) just as dangerous as if they were finished.

By: Tom Kerwick

Tom Kerwick — Tue, 12 May 2015 15:08:29 +0000

That’s a bit dramatic of a conclusion Otto, if these ‘unstoppable monsters’ as you call them ‘never arise in any finite Universe’. ;-)

Meanwhile, we have discussed how an ‘almost black hole’ as referred to earlier can both arise and evaporate with equal ease in that same finite Universe.

By: Otto E. Rossler

Otto E. Rossler — Tue, 12 May 2015 13:47:57 +0000

Maybe I should confess that i not only insist on everyone taking seriously the infinite temporal distance of black hole horizons from the outside (which alone proves they never arise in any finite universe), but also know that this infinite temporal distance is accompanied by an equal spatila distance (since c-global retrieved implies this).
This pulls away the last waste basket fromwhich one could draw miraculous events about black holes like particle emissiomns or fancy firewalls etc.
They simply are unstoppable monsters crackable only by bigger brethren. I mentioned this in my co-authored book chaotic Harmony, for example.

By: Tom Kerwick

Tom Kerwick — Tue, 12 May 2015 12:12:01 +0000

Yes — Hence I refer to ‘failed black hole formation’ just as you refer to ‘almost black holes’. However — it does seem that such simple deductions do not tally well with Prof Hawking’s writings in for example his recent (2014) paper ‘Information Preservation and Weather Forecasting for Black Holes’ where he considers Black Holes as temporal entities which contain mass within apparent horizons. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1401.5761v1.pdf I suspect we have made an oversight, or I misunderstand ‘apparent horizons’ , and I invite the reader to identify that oversight.

By: Otto E. Rossler

Otto E. Rossler — Mon, 11 May 2015 21:53:24 +0000

I quote: “up to black hole formation in local time near the horizon”.
But: ‘Black hole formation in local time’ never occurs in the infinite future history of the universe, as we saw. Right?

By: Tom Kerwick

Tom Kerwick — Mon, 11 May 2015 21:23:04 +0000

No — I referred to outside observer time, not local time. The lifetime of the MBH/BH in outside observer time, or outsider time as you call it, maps back to an intense and microscopic point at the moments up to (failed) black hole formation in local time near the horizon — as I clarified in earlier comments. As we refer to activity close to the horizon, and not at the horizon, there is no infinity involved, and hence no contradiction.