Comments on: Rossler-Cook versus Hawking and the CERN Detectors https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/05/rossler-cook-versus-hawking-and-the-cern-detectors Safeguarding Humanity Tue, 29 May 2012 09:18:56 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: PassingByAgain https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/05/rossler-cook-versus-hawking-and-the-cern-detectors#comment-109522 Tue, 29 May 2012 09:18:56 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3953#comment-109522 Tottoli, you did not even understand why the question of yours that I quoted was so stupid, didn’t you?

For what concerns inflation, just forget about it. When you learn what inflation is, it will be clear to you that it can’t happen again. Until then, you are just wasting your time (and mine). There is indeed a reason why you ask the same question twice, and it is that you couldn’t be bothered checking the facts before blurting out more nonsense. Have you actually read the paper whose abstract you were quoting? Have you looked at its figure 1 as I suggested?

As to the “Big Rip”, it’s just another random concept that you throw into the discussion without first bothering to check if it is relevant. If you had simply looked it up, even on wikipedia, you would have learned what triggers it, and why it has nothing to do with particle collisions.

Finally, there is the issue of whether the Higgs field is in the lowest-energy state or it can transition to another state (note, this is fully independent of whether or not the Higgs is the inflaton). For this, the usual cosmic-ray argument applies. If the LHC collisions could trigger such a transition, cosmic-ray collisions would trigger it as well. Note that all the complications of the cosmic-ray argument for hypothetical stable black holes are related to the question of whether such black holes will be stopped in matter and start accreting. In the case of the hypothetical state transition of the Higgs field, there is no such question. Nothing needs to stop in matter in this scenario, thus LHC collisions and cosmic-ray collisions are equivalent.

In any case, the properties and interactions of the Higgs are pretty well understood. You cannot just wave your hands and claim a danger, you must first devise a physical mechanism by which the collisions could trigger a transition of the Higgs field. Good luck with that… Otherwise, as I already told you, you might as well start worrying about LHC-generated dragons. The LSAG hasn’t ruled them out yet.

Now please, please, please, don’t come back with more random nonsense until you have at least tried to understand what I have just written. On a second thought, don’t come back at all, surely I have already wasted enough of my time with you.

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By: Niccolò Tottoli https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/05/rossler-cook-versus-hawking-and-the-cern-detectors#comment-109426 Mon, 28 May 2012 21:20:41 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3953#comment-109426 Dear PassingByAgain
Please it was never my intention to make my discussion partners angry.
Perhaps there is a reason that I ask you the same questions two times but if you like to stop, then no problem too. I never said that you MUST answer any question.

You told: “Furthermore, your question “do you know how the energy state was before the Big Bang?” reaches a new low of stupidity (are you by chance confusing big bang and inflation?).“
I only ask you this because you said the Higgs-field would be “in a low energy state”.
Do you think the current energy state is a safety guarantee regarding inflation? And is it safe to create conditions that occured shortly after the Big Bang?

Can you say me whether the Higgs field is in the lowest energy state now and if it is not, then can you show me a proof (or else a safety argument) that creating local oscillations of the Higgs field by experiments is absolutely safe?

I have read about the Big Rip, as a possible end of the Universe.
What will trigger the Big Rip and where will it start? Will it start somewhere in the space or could it be triggered by some sort of high energy collisions or disturbances of the Higgs field?

Do you still believe that there are no differences between high energy cosmic ray collisions and the collisions at the LHC and do you really not care at all?
Thank you for reading.

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By: Niccolò Tottoli https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/05/rossler-cook-versus-hawking-and-the-cern-detectors#comment-109151 Sun, 27 May 2012 00:28:21 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3953#comment-109151 It is not my intention to avoid any answer of 1–6 but I think a counter-theorem to TeLeMaCh would be more important. An interesting detail of 1–6: radioactive potassium in our bodies is believed to be an important aging factor. Thanks to Prof. Penner.

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By: Otto E. Rossler https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/05/rossler-cook-versus-hawking-and-the-cern-detectors#comment-109107 Sat, 26 May 2012 19:11:25 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3953#comment-109107 Professor Penner announced a counter-theorem to Telemach — do you not also yearn for it?

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By: Visitor https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/05/rossler-cook-versus-hawking-and-the-cern-detectors#comment-109089 Sat, 26 May 2012 16:58:10 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3953#comment-109089 No, Otto, the world is waiting for your answers. You said you could easily answer every point, so do it. The worldis waiting.

This silly game to avoid any answer is becoming boring, Otto.

There are also open questions in the other threads. For example, you have not delivered any convincing statement that you are not contraditing Komar and Wald as it was clearly demonstrated ny TRMG. Your cloudy answers were not sufficient and perhas they will impress laymen but for sure no one who is able to THINK a little bit about your nonsensica answers ;)

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By: Otto E. Rossler https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/05/rossler-cook-versus-hawking-and-the-cern-detectors#comment-109088 Sat, 26 May 2012 16:46:35 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3953#comment-109088 I am waiting for Mr. Penner to deliver — if he is the physical chemist he pretends to be. Okay?

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By: Visitor https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/05/rossler-cook-versus-hawking-and-the-cern-detectors#comment-109086 Sat, 26 May 2012 16:37:39 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3953#comment-109086 How can i be possible that the great Otto Rössler does not answer this silly points made by penner?

:D

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By: Otto E. Rössler https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/05/rossler-cook-versus-hawking-and-the-cern-detectors#comment-109015 Sat, 26 May 2012 07:18:26 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3953#comment-109015 How can a reasonable physicist be so blind?

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By: PassingByAgain https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/05/rossler-cook-versus-hawking-and-the-cern-detectors#comment-108963 Fri, 25 May 2012 23:26:17 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3953#comment-108963 Tottoli: It cost me some time to explain to you, in my comment on May 21, 2012 1:43 pm, “how [I can] be sure that the mechanism of inflation cannot cause a danger”. Unfortunately, it appears that you were too lazy to even try to understand what I wrote — otherwise you would not be asking the very same question again. Furthermore, your question “do you know how the energy state was before the Big Bang?” reaches a new low of stupidity (are you by chance confusing big bang and inflation?). Clearly you lack the background required for a meaningful discussion about particle physics and cosmology, and perhaps your understanding of these topics doesn’t go beyond the cartoon you linked in your comment.

Don’t get me wrong: there would be nothing to be ashamed of in that, not everybody has to be familiar with particle physics. As I wrote in my previous comment, the real shame is how you and your friend Otto find it completely superfluous to gather even a modicum of information before pontificating about stuff you don’t understand. You prefer to make wild claims at random, then accuse the scientific community of sloppiness (or worse, murderous conspiracy) because they don’t drop everything they are doing and convene a conference to address your nonsense.

I won’t waste any more of my time discussing trivial stuff with you, only to have to start all over again the next day. Look around for the information you lack, or live with your concerns that “unnatural collisions” at the LHC might create fire-breathing dragons which will burn your ass (indeed, the LSAG has not provided a safety argument against that risk either). I don’t care, the world doesn’t care, there certainly won’t be a conference about it.

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By: eq https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/05/rossler-cook-versus-hawking-and-the-cern-detectors#comment-108873 Fri, 25 May 2012 12:40:44 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3953#comment-108873 Perhaps you can show the world the fantastic review you got from this african journal (you know, you claim to have published your crap in a peer-reviewed journal — but apparently there was nothing like a review).

And now answer the points made by penner. You claimed to be able to answer every item,. so do it instead of hiding evading again. :D

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