Comments on: Oppie’s Black Holes versus CERN https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/oppies-black-holes-versus-cern Safeguarding Humanity Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:52:11 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: eq https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/oppies-black-holes-versus-cern#comment-105594 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:52:11 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3486#comment-105594 It is also not the first time that you are asked to show the flaws in the work of others as for example Reissner-Nordström…

You are therefore a proven liar.

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By: eq https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/oppies-black-holes-versus-cern#comment-105591 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:27:38 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3486#comment-105591 Just repeating the already disproved nonsensical argumentaton against HR which in fact does not disprove HR is useless, Rössler.

Besides it is obvious you have not even understood the principles of science.

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By: eq https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/oppies-black-holes-versus-cern#comment-105590 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:26:31 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3486#comment-105590 Amazing how you miss the point of TRMGs again and again.

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By: Otto E. Rössler https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/oppies-black-holes-versus-cern#comment-105584 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:26:09 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3486#comment-105584 Interesting point (quote): [starting from the same premises, but arriving at a different conclusion would be] “useless unless you also spot the flaw in the logic in either of the alleged proofs.”

This is obviously false. Finding a truth is not useless if the unsuccessful paths chosen by others are not simultaneously described and analyzed in detail.

Nevertheless it is the first time that anyone asks for this SECONDARILY very important element as well. It shows that logic is returning into the discussion.

Finding the truth is always much easier than understanding why someone else went astray. But it is very illuminating eventually to see where the decisive error occurred.

Where is the point where everyone went astray? I put it into the fact that they all overlooked (because Oppie did not put his finger on this) that not only the passage downstairs takes an infinite amount of time — seen from the outside — to arrive there, both for astronauts and for light, but also the passage back upstairs does.

This symmetry is very easy to overlook when you know at the same time that an astronaut takes only two days according to his own wristwatch for both travels, and a light ray not time at all according to its own wristwatch if it could be given one.

So it could happen that Hawking overlooked that “from the point of view of the twin particle in the pair of shortlived virtual particles, the partner takes an infinite amount of time to reach the horizon [so nothing prevents himt from returning after a short finite time according to the twin particle’s clock].

Got the point? It was the temporal symmetry that went unrecogniozed for 73 years.

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By: eq https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/oppies-black-holes-versus-cern#comment-105583 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:03:49 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3486#comment-105583 The long Otto-silence again.

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By: TRMG https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/oppies-black-holes-versus-cern#comment-105428 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 15:56:22 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3486#comment-105428 “Rossler’s insistence that someone provides a “counter-theorem” betrays his lack of understanding of how science works. If you can point out a flaw or inconsistency in the “theorem”, then the theorem is dead, there is no need for “counter-theorems”. ”

I fully agree.

BTW, if asked what precisely he would accept as a “counter-theorem,” Rössler imagined something that starts from the same premises, but arrives at a different conclusion, or, alternatively, a falsification of the premises, which in this case would be special relativity or the equivalence principle.

Disregarding the second option as highly unrealistic, the first one would be completely useless unless you also spot the flaw in the logic in either of the alleged proofs, which means that is really all you have to do in the first place.

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By: PassingByAgain https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/oppies-black-holes-versus-cern#comment-105426 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 15:14:40 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3486#comment-105426 This was meant as a comment on “TRMG on April 6, 2012 7:01 am”.
Earlier comments on http://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/oppies-black-holes-versus-cern/comment-page-1

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By: PassingByAgain https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/oppies-black-holes-versus-cern#comment-105425 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 15:12:07 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3486#comment-105425 Moreover — while this thread focuses on the fact that “Telemach” has no impact on Hawking radiation — there have been plenty of “falsifiable statements that if true disprove the Telemach theorem” in earlier threads. What about this one:

“eq.(1) of Telemach is incorrect”

if true (and countless bytes have been wasted trying to explain to Rossler why this is the case) then the theorem is disproved. Rossler’s insistence that someone provides a “counter-theorem” betrays his lack of understanding of how science works. If you can point out a flaw or inconsistency in the “theorem”, then the theorem is dead, there is no need for “counter-theorems”.

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By: eq https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/oppies-black-holes-versus-cern#comment-105423 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 15:03:00 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3486#comment-105423 “If they can do so, the world will forgive them.”

The world. Megalomaniac Rössler identifies himself with nothing less than the “world”.

This defines new standards of delusional crackpottery

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By: eq https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/04/oppies-black-holes-versus-cern#comment-105422 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 15:01:52 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3486#comment-105422 Rössler does not understand TRMGs arguments and tries to bury these arguments below nonsensical repetitions of his Telemach-nonsense.

Poor Rössler!

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