Comments on: Telemach + Shilnikov + Superfluidity: Three undismantled Findings Render CERN a Planet-eating Time Bomb https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/03/telemach-shilnikov-superfluidity-three-undismantled-findings-render-cern-a-planet-eating-time-bomb Safeguarding Humanity Tue, 08 May 2012 23:11:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Tom Kerwick https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/03/telemach-shilnikov-superfluidity-three-undismantled-findings-render-cern-a-planet-eating-time-bomb#comment-103575 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:18:43 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3308#comment-103575 Actually I hadn’t seen much debate on superfluidity… not mentioned or dismissed in the G&M report at least, though I think applying it to MBH as a safety concern came later…

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By: eq https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/03/telemach-shilnikov-superfluidity-three-undismantled-findings-render-cern-a-planet-eating-time-bomb#comment-103574 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:06:35 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3308#comment-103574 Many many people with a clear scientific background explained that to Otto in the past. And still he states that “there is no scientist oin the world contradicting me”.

the reader can draw his conclusions.

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By: Tom Kerwick https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/03/telemach-shilnikov-superfluidity-three-undismantled-findings-render-cern-a-planet-eating-time-bomb#comment-103570 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:35:29 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3308#comment-103570 Agreed — I just needed to have a quick glance over a document on neutron star superfluidity before quickly surmising — that this cannot apply to MBH as zero viscosity is not a valid argument against MBH capture. A zero viscosity can’t slither anything back out from the dark side of an event horizon… Sorry Otto — I can’t see your argument.

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By: eq https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/03/telemach-shilnikov-superfluidity-three-undismantled-findings-render-cern-a-planet-eating-time-bomb#comment-103569 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:57:11 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3308#comment-103569 So papers showing that they are indeed superfluid are not supporting Ottos position.

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By: Tom Kerwick https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/03/telemach-shilnikov-superfluidity-three-undismantled-findings-render-cern-a-planet-eating-time-bomb#comment-103568 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:11:34 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3308#comment-103568 Yes — the neutron star can be superfluid — but Superfluidity gives no protection/escape from an event horizon of a non-radiating MBH passing through such…

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By: eq https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/03/telemach-shilnikov-superfluidity-three-undismantled-findings-render-cern-a-planet-eating-time-bomb#comment-103567 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:04:22 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3308#comment-103567 The point is that the classic superfluidity to which Otto refers here is not really preventing a black hole to become caught. The conditions inside a neutron stars are extreme.

The questions is not whether N-stars are superfluid or not but is this “protecting” the n-star. Otto never got this.

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By: Tom Kerwick https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/03/telemach-shilnikov-superfluidity-three-undismantled-findings-render-cern-a-planet-eating-time-bomb#comment-103566 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:55:08 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3308#comment-103566 Better to ask google… I just found a short paper ‘neutron star and superfluidity’ produced by the Dept of Physics at the University of Illinois
http://guava.physics.uiuc.edu/~nigel/courses/569/Essays_Fall2010/Files/lo.pdf

I cannot agree such zero viscosity could prevent MBH capture — as zero viscosity is not a ‘get out of jail card’ once traversed by a (non-radiating) MBH event horizon

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By: eq https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/03/telemach-shilnikov-superfluidity-three-undismantled-findings-render-cern-a-planet-eating-time-bomb#comment-103563 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:41:58 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3308#comment-103563 So you agree that it needs a little bit more than to say “it is protected by a fantastic new feature” without any kind of theoretical background?

Otto is asked for simething like that for years. He never delivered. Think about that.

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By: Tom Kerwick https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/03/telemach-shilnikov-superfluidity-three-undismantled-findings-render-cern-a-planet-eating-time-bomb#comment-103561 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:25:50 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3308#comment-103561 I just found the following referenced from “A rational and mora and spiriritual dilemma” http://www.mi.infn.it/~colo/TRENTO/Abstracts/gori.txt which isn’t much. Would like to locate a full paper on the topic. It seems counter-intuitive that a nuetron star is always superfluid to MBH. If a part of the neutron star passes the event horizon of even an ultrarelativistic MBH — surely the MBH is then trapped in it (as it is trapped by the MBH).

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By: Otto E. Rössler https://lifeboat.com/blog/2012/03/telemach-shilnikov-superfluidity-three-undismantled-findings-render-cern-a-planet-eating-time-bomb#comment-103559 Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:15:58 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=3308#comment-103559 [sorry I pushed the wrong button] but in the meantime, new learned confirmatory papers have appeared (I once quoted one on Lifeboat I believe). But I live in Tübingen where the properties of neutron stars are an old specialty of astrophysicists, including Hanns Ruder’s group. From him (and posters of other researchers) I am long familiar with the so-called “glitches” — that neutron stars sometimes change their uniquelx constant rotation speed all of a sudden as a whole. This fact is proof to the eye that the whole star is acting as a single quantum object. Only superfluids behave in this way.

The point is not the superfluidity’s existence as such, but the fact that superfluids are frictionless, as Kammerlingh-Onnes dicovered in 1911. They sneak through the finest cracks in bottles, not losing speed through friction, and defy gravity. A sufficiently small projectile therefore cannot get stuck inside them.

The high temperature of neutron stars’ cores is a conceptual barrier to believing this. And in fact the most modern models are quite complicated. Nevertheless it is a “safe bet” that micro black holes cannot grown inside their cores. They also cannot grow inside their (likewise superfluid) inner crust. But most likely in the outer crust they can. There, they become fattened a bit, to get heavy enough to fall into the uperfluid, to move inside on Keplerian orbits, sometimes touching from within on the crust to eat a bit and fall back, to eventually orbit inside and — perhaps — combine with sister holes there to form a more or less centrally moving “black core” inside. The presence or absenceof the latter may become analyzable from a detailed observation of the temporal structure of glitches.

Is this “unwashed” preliminary answer okay with you?

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