Comments on: As CERN Accepts the Worst Reproach of History, the Latter Sticks to Their Advisor https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/12/as-cern-accepts-the-worst-reproach-of-history-the-latter-sticks-to-their-advisor Safeguarding Humanity Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:16:49 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Otto E. Rössler https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/12/as-cern-accepts-the-worst-reproach-of-history-the-latter-sticks-to-their-advisor#comment-97996 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:16:49 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2668#comment-97996 “Too brilliant to be intelligent” is a quotable phrase, although easily too aggressive.
After Niccolò Tottoli’s kind reminder I feel I need to excuse myself for the fact that I see the reason for the catastrophic development to lie in a single person’s refusal of dialog.
I will be happy to accept other critics’ counterarguments and respond to them if I can. But there is none so far who dared come up with refutable counterarguments. So he is my “favorite enemy” if you so wish – the only real friend that a real scientist has. For he only wants to come closer to the truth, which is only possible by means of dialog – totally honest dialog.
I owe the hardest point of my Telemach theorem, the Ch (or Q) for charge, to professor Nicolai having been kind enough to talk with me together with three colleagues for hours in front of a blackboard. My intuition that the new infinite distance towards the horizon would suffice to arrive at an infinite reduction in the number of the field lines of a down-falling charge, he mercilessly refused to accept – and justly so.
Without him, I would not have seen the decisive point on the next morning – which I had mentioned in my talk before the blackboard but not yet seen as being decisive: the fixed (by general covariance) local proportionality between rest mass and charge.
So I owe Telemach to professor Nicolai. This is why I sent the paper to his journal for publication and why I would like to invite him to be a co-author.
I cannot exclude that he knows why Ch is false. But then he ought to be so kind to share his knowledge with me and the world.
My hunch is that the reason for his unhappiness is more superficial: He may “know in his guts” from his rich knowledge of the formalism of general relativity that even my first conclusion – “M” (the reduction by a factor of almost two of the mass energy content compared to the outside world of any mass brought to rest on the surface of a neutron star) – is mistaken. So perhaps despite the same behavior shown by the well-known Komar mass (which admittedly is usually understood in less concrete terms). And if it were true that he does not even accept the M of TeLeMaCh, I have no chance to bring him to accepting the Ch.
But maybe he is less dogmatic than I fear – for example, because R.J. Cook gave a much more sophisticated demonstration of M – and so is ready to re-embark onto the question of Ch.
I dare mention the example of Richard J. Cook also because he had denied in his big learned paper “Gravitational space dilation” on the arxiv that Ch (his Q) behaves like M, but then acknowledged in a letter that I had been right with my covariance argument, so that he would take back his previous stance on Q.
This is, as everybody will confirm, a rare case of fairness shown on the battlefield of science. But having been in the pleasant scientific atmosphere exuded by my discussion partner at Golm when we met in person, I hope he can understand that I long for a return onto the friendly battle field that we had.
And I ask the world’s forgiveness that I – and with me the world – crucially need this act of grace that I know I do not deserve but which I nonetheless have the courage to ask for from my favorite enemy and therefore best friend in science.

]]> By: AnthonyL https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/12/as-cern-accepts-the-worst-reproach-of-history-the-latter-sticks-to-their-advisor#comment-97987 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:49:08 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2668#comment-97987 @Peter Howell Calling someone Hitler or Himmler refers to their fascist tendencies to order things without regard to the public interest or its spokesmen. It doesn’t express any hate for those so labeled or for science. Not per se. Rossler is standing up for the interest of the planet and its people in face of what he reckons a dire threat. He doesn’t write “hate”. You do, as far as I can see. Why not post something constructive adding analysis or information, instead of ad hominem stuff? Rossler is always polite to you and others. This allows a debate without boiling everyone’s brain in harsh words. Even Hansel is amusingly cheeky, rather than nasty, even though he is quite rude, though not as brilliantly amusing as Pinky.

]]> By: AnthonyL https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/12/as-cern-accepts-the-worst-reproach-of-history-the-latter-sticks-to-their-advisor#comment-97985 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:40:09 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2668#comment-97985 Sorry, that phrase to add to the url should be “/comment-page-1” “/comment-page-2“etc.

]]> By: Peter Howell https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/12/as-cern-accepts-the-worst-reproach-of-history-the-latter-sticks-to-their-advisor#comment-97980 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:21:22 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2668#comment-97980 @“AnthonyL”: So calling someone Himmler or Hitler is done because you respect these people or because you hate them= Anthony, you once again turned my world upside done — or should I call you Stalin to show my respect for you?

PPH

]]> By: AnthonyL https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/12/as-cern-accepts-the-worst-reproach-of-history-the-latter-sticks-to-their-advisor#comment-97979 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:08:56 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2668#comment-97979 May I have the honor of noting that for all who wish to peruse the sometimes extensive threads that have accompanied Professor Rossler’s previous posts, that the way to retrieve previous 50-Comment-sections which have vanished from the main url of each post, is to add the phrase “/comments-page1#” at the end of the main url, which will lead you to see the first page with its 50 Comments. If you change the number to eg “/comments-page2# it will lead you to the second block of 50 Comments, and so on.

Sorry but to this objective observer (ie I wait to see if Rossler’s anxiety over the LHC escalation can be countered by good reasoning and references, which I haven’t seen so far here) the posts above by “Professor Peter Howell” seems to show exactly the opposite of what it states ie the “hate” seems to be on the side of the poster, not on those he accuses.

I hope that Pinky and the Brain will resume posting hilarious comments if we must have unreason here, rather than this “hate” filled rejection of Professor Rossler’s appeals, which are after all motivated by conCERN for the planet.

Actually there was a certain brilliance underlying Pinky’s apercus here which may well have included strong reasons for adopting his viewpoint, but they were too brilliant to be intelligible.

]]> By: Niccolò Tottoli https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/12/as-cern-accepts-the-worst-reproach-of-history-the-latter-sticks-to-their-advisor#comment-97956 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:44:00 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2668#comment-97956 Dear Hansel (or EQ?)
I have sent you a response.
http://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/11/eminent-physicists-who-dismiss-lhc-conspiracy-theories%e2%80%89%e2%80%94-3/comment-page-1#comment-97954
ps.: Shouldn‘t we be a bit more friendly and talk about the important (and therefore more interesting) points?
Best regards to all.

]]> By: Hansel https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/12/as-cern-accepts-the-worst-reproach-of-history-the-latter-sticks-to-their-advisor#comment-97952 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:03:27 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2668#comment-97952 If someone wants to see bad pseudoscience he should look up Rösslers Telesomething or his “R-theorem”.

That are fine examples of the work of a scientific crank

]]> By: Hansel https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/12/as-cern-accepts-the-worst-reproach-of-history-the-latter-sticks-to-their-advisor#comment-97951 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:02:23 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2668#comment-97951 What a lie again. The old Rössler was a fanatical Nazi already in the 1920s, even long before the rise to power of the party could be imagined. He was also a fanatical antisemite. There is no doubt about that.

and, Rössler, your life is full of pseudoscience, not science.

The University of Tübingen is probably not really aware of Rösslers pseudoscience record. Probably no one there has ever examined your papers full of vague buzzword bingo carefully enough. The episode about your Phd-student whose thesis was rejected after the university had asked a external expert to examine the thesis is a first proof that something is going wrong there. I think if someone would carefull examine Rösslers papers over the last decades he would find a lot of crap published without peer review (exteral double checking) with the help of his old crackpot friends (e.g. El Naschie).

@P. Howell: No, Rössler was not fired, but this is nearly impossible as he is a german public servant. The sentence means much less than Rössler wants to show.

]]> By: Peter Howell https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/12/as-cern-accepts-the-worst-reproach-of-history-the-latter-sticks-to-their-advisor#comment-97949 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:30:17 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2668#comment-97949 Oh Roessler, you “wish-you-woudl-be-a-scientist”. You are questioning my profession? You, who hs no professional credibility at all? Oh, and your father was a leading Nazi, no matter what lies you keep spreading around. Assume he made you run around in Nazi uniforms as a kid? Oh, and the university of Tuebingen DID fire you and you were not allowed to teach there — remember? You are indeed a seriously disturbed person — driven by hate and recognition of personal failure.

]]> By: Otto E. Rössler https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/12/as-cern-accepts-the-worst-reproach-of-history-the-latter-sticks-to-their-advisor#comment-97947 Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:19:11 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2668#comment-97947 No, my father hated Himmler. He actually carried his pistol with him in case he would ever meet him because he considered him responsible for the evil things that went on. Fate prevented him from ever being cruel a single time in his life.

Science is my life. What I fight against is only bad science, and so only if it is combined with fraud. This is what kills science — believing in dogmatism as you support it, my dear would-be psychologist (if you forgive me the term since I am sure you have a sound professional side to you as well).

And the Eberhard-Karls-University (after which I was named with my second name because it had made my father a university docent) never fired me, by the way.

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