Comments on: Space Renaissance: Dawn of a New Age of Civilization https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/10/space-renaissance-dawn-of-a-new-age-of-civilization Safeguarding Humanity Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:38:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.1 By: John https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/10/space-renaissance-dawn-of-a-new-age-of-civilization#comment-94178 Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:38:12 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2333#comment-94178 I think you should read this re what what Western “civilization” is really all about.

http://www.aboutadidam.org/readings/bridge_to_god/index.html

And http://www.dabase.org/not2p1.htm

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By: SenatorMark4 https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/10/space-renaissance-dawn-of-a-new-age-of-civilization#comment-93460 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:49:54 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2333#comment-93460 There is simply no limit to the resources that space can provide. We only have limited time. Once the train of resources is headed to a destination it is unlimited. I touched on this in “My Jeffersonian Home’ which is a quick read and crazy. If you think we haven’t already touched the point where CNC and 3D printing allow us to build our own space vehicles then you should be out at the OWS protests looking for solutions. Good luck!

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By: Gale https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/10/space-renaissance-dawn-of-a-new-age-of-civilization#comment-93432 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 04:52:12 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2333#comment-93432 Much of modern engineering consists of better materials & more efficient design. I suspect that even in the near future much lighter, stronger spacecraft will exist that can actually just fly into outer space. The Apollo program served to stop much of the NASA research into such an approach. However, private industry will probably manage it now.

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By: flashgordon https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/10/space-renaissance-dawn-of-a-new-age-of-civilization#comment-93419 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:31:47 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2333#comment-93419 This article said we’ll go to space because we’ll go to space. There’s almost no substance to it at all.

I almost felt a little bit of Isaac Asimov “Foundation” in it. It said, well, the past ideas of how to advance to space failed, but problems necessitate that we must go to space. Here, I agree and disagree . Space is ‘a’ solution to our problems. Nanomanufacturing is another. This is another miss in this article.

Yes, there’s hope in getting to space soon. It’s called nanotechnology. Dna-nanotechnology alone seems to me to be on the brink of doing lots of good stuff. If it can organize carbon nanotubes and graphene on a macroscopic scale, then, I’m thinking it can indeed make space rockets and colonies!(although Chris Phoenix doens’t want to hear that!) I wouldn’t be surprised to see a dna-nanotech revolution within two years from now! In fact, I predict widespread dna-nanomanufacturing for decades before the Drexlerian daimondoid nanotech gets going. If anybody is smart(Art Hippler), they’d get as far out in space as they can before the Daimondoid nanotech gets going!

The only problem with using dna-nanotech to create a space colony and move out as far as possible is it requires more mathematics than you can possibly imagine! Ever seen Laplace’s “Celestial Mechanics”? It’s four volumes almost a thousand pages each! I’ve seen a two volume topology celestial mechanics as well! All that mathemtics is just for the space navigation! It’s not all that quantum chemistry, computer theory for the nanotechnology!

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By: amalie https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/10/space-renaissance-dawn-of-a-new-age-of-civilization#comment-93418 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:30:44 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2333#comment-93418 I think the economies are outer space are the determining ones . There is no point in proposing a space development that will actually deplete the already very limited planetary resources. But it does not have to be that way, there are many levels of space usage ( in particular for global and AI enabled information structures ) that can quickly add economic value, in terms of fast and equitable planetary development . Another is space based solar power which may be totally sustainable for the long term durations and which is very flexible and clean source. Launch costs need to come down for SBSP large scale, and studies for any beam effect. etc, but might be possible. There are many other kinds of uses and styles which are of genuine value via outer space. Space development does not need to be exploitative, it can actually help generate human prosperity.

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By: Art Hippler https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/10/space-renaissance-dawn-of-a-new-age-of-civilization#comment-93407 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 21:17:53 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2333#comment-93407 Unfortunately, these magnificent and expansive dreams will necessitate expensive and vaster powers of government. As is usual with such matters, the burden will be carried by those who do not have the power to stop the “great minds”. Remember, these are the ones who gave us the “agrarian reform: of Mao, the “peoples government” of Pol Pot the “future that works” of Joseph Stalin and the ObamaCare of our present incarnation of “superior intellect”.

As a former professor who is only too painfully aware of how incredibly foolish the intellectual elite is, I can only point out that the Greek viewpoint that mankind could not escape its gross failings appears to have been well derived. Not only did they observe history well, (a caution which our Founding Fathers utilized in choosing to limit governmental power), but also because any present reading of history would show that even our own limited government submitted eventually to human failings and the ever present reality of human evil.

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By: Austin https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/10/space-renaissance-dawn-of-a-new-age-of-civilization#comment-93404 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:56:46 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2333#comment-93404 This is what I’m talking about. It blows my mind when I talk to people who honestly don’t think there’s anything out there and that we have no future in Outer Space. Have they no vision!?! There’s a vast and wild universe with amazing discoveries yet to behold. We need leaders who believe in the dream.

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By: Denver https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/10/space-renaissance-dawn-of-a-new-age-of-civilization#comment-93399 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 19:44:44 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2333#comment-93399 Robert James on October 17, 2011 10:16 am

This seems just ludicrous considering half the planet doesn’t have running water

Please point to the social convention that makes this my responsibility, and by inference, my nation’s. 100 years ago much of the US didn’t have running water. My father’s boyhood home in Dayton, OH had an out house. Nobody came here, from across the pond, and installed the plumbing.

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By: M. Report https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/10/space-renaissance-dawn-of-a-new-age-of-civilization#comment-93394 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:06:56 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2333#comment-93394 One should use the word ‘impossible’ sparingly when discussing engineering issues; ‘Impractical’ is a much safer choice, as in: Given the depth of the earth’s gravity well, and the limited maximum energy extractable from chemical reactions, chemical rockets are an impractical means of reaching LEO, let alone other planets.

This statement points to two possible work-arounds: Minimize the mass lifted into orbit by extracting all possible resources from sources in space, or on smaller planets, and discard chemical rockets in favor of nuclear ones (fission now, fusion soon), or ground based propulsion.

This is not just your humble correspondent voicing an opinion; Far better minds than mine have explored all the possibilities, and demonstrated that space is indeed the High Frontier.

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By: Robert Winkler Burke https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/10/space-renaissance-dawn-of-a-new-age-of-civilization#comment-93393 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:06:11 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2333#comment-93393 Here’s a Space Joke:

Some day in the not too distant future, Little Green Martians see a space vehicle from Earth land on their beloved planet of Mars. Out pops Chinese astronauts who salute the Martians. “We come to Mars to spread COMMUNISM!” they say.

Next, another vehicle from Earth lands, this one marked “Euro-Zone”. Out pop German, French and English astronauts. They tell the Martians, “We come to Mars to spread SOCIALISM!”

Next, an Arabian vehicle lands. These astronauts tell the Martians, “We come to Mars to spread rigid-religious MUSLIM JEHAD!”

Finally, a back-firing, beat up looking space capsule lands. Out from it comes a ragtag, sloppy crew from the United States of America. The Martians ask them what they have. The American astronauts tell the Martians, “We don’t know what we’ve got!”

Immediately, the Martians order all Earthlings off their planet, until they can figure things out.

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