Comments on: Emergency Proposal for the UN general Assembly – 66th Session – Opening These Minutes https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/09/emergency-proposal-for-the-un-general-assembly-%e2%80%93-66th-session-%e2%80%93-opening-these-minutes Safeguarding Humanity Mon, 26 Sep 2011 01:01:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.1 By: Robert Houston https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/09/emergency-proposal-for-the-un-general-assembly-%e2%80%93-66th-session-%e2%80%93-opening-these-minutes#comment-91734 Mon, 26 Sep 2011 01:01:19 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2189#comment-91734 P and B: Thanks for clariifying your affiliation. I did not mean to include you in the notorious gang of CERN activists.

Hansel, congratulations on quoting Rossler correctly this time. Indeed, a recent headline says he “proved that CERN attempts to kill you.” But this differs from your prior comment that he was “accusing scientists to attempt to kill people.” The difference is that an institution such as CERN may be set on a course believed by an observer such as Rossler to risk disaster, though the motives of all its individuals are benign.

Similarly, it is understandable if an observer, concerned about a school bus that paused on the tracks, interprets an onrushing diesel train as attempting to kill the children, rather than as just trying to be on time.

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By: The Pinky and the Brain https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/09/emergency-proposal-for-the-un-general-assembly-%e2%80%93-66th-session-%e2%80%93-opening-these-minutes#comment-91559 Fri, 23 Sep 2011 22:04:58 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2189#comment-91559 Mr. Houston!

You wrote “gang of CERN activists”. Lovely!

We want to clarify that we insist on being the “gang of ACME activists (mice division)”.

Peace!
The Pinky and the Brain

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By: Hansel https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/09/emergency-proposal-for-the-un-general-assembly-%e2%80%93-66th-session-%e2%80%93-opening-these-minutes#comment-91523 Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:58:10 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2189#comment-91523 “As Dr. Rossler and other LHC critics have made clear, CERN scientists do not “attempt to kill people” but to conduct experiments for the advancement of science that risk such a result.”

Oh yes. Perhaps you can explain then this clear and accurate citation from a posting of Rössler:
“I am the Scientist Who Proved That CERN Attempts to Kill You ”

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By: Robert Houston https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/09/emergency-proposal-for-the-un-general-assembly-%e2%80%93-66th-session-%e2%80%93-opening-these-minutes#comment-91507 Fri, 23 Sep 2011 04:58:35 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2189#comment-91507 To defense attorneys for the German government, the court asked that safety aspects be discussed in a safety conference. This qualifies as a request. (“Request 1: the act or an instance of asking for something” — Merriam-Webster Dictionary.)

To have any effect and gain sufficient participation, such a conference would need to be under official auspices, such as the German government, the UN, or CERN. There are a number of other scientists critical of the LHC who could be included.

Dr. Rossler has written of two visits to CERN, the first in July 2008. At that time he discussed some safety issues with CERN physicist Rolf Landua, who agreed that the superfluid aspect of neutron stars should be investigated. Dr. Landua even suggested an experiment using CERN’s large supply of superfluid material (helium II) to study the passage of neutral particles, but the study was never done.

Although Prof. Rossler has been remarkably patient, polite and forthcoming in answering the hundreds angry comments from a gang of CERN activists here, their hostile attitude apparently rendered them obtuse and uncomprehending to his generally clear replies. They usually responsed with obscenities and insults. The rude behavior of such foolish hecklers would be beneath the standards of any scientific conference.

As Dr. Rossler and other LHC critics have made clear, CERN scientists do not “attempt to kill people” but to conduct experiments for the advancement of science that risk such a result.

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By: Hansel https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/09/emergency-proposal-for-the-un-general-assembly-%e2%80%93-66th-session-%e2%80%93-opening-these-minutes#comment-91462 Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:55:08 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2189#comment-91462 The opinion of the court is written down normally in the judgement. And there you cannot find any request to the government to organize a safety conference.

There is also a difference between an opinion and a official request.

So Rössler is misleading the “public” here.

Furthermore there were several visits of Rössler at CERN, he has already discussed all of it with the scientists there. What was shown by Rössler here on this blog on questions about his equations and implications of his “theory” (much of psychological bullshit, but almost never a scientific precise statement) it is very unlikely that he even has the ability to attend such a conference. The questions presented here on this blog are exactly the questions one can expect to be asked at a conference like that. As Rössler was not able to answer them in a clear way the conference would be a complete waste of time for any real scientist in the world.

And: why is Rössler not organizing the conference himnself? He seems to have still access to some resources of his former university, if he wanted to discuss, he should organize it. But obviously he prefers to talk about planetocausts and other bllshit, accusing scientists to attempt killing people. He tries not even to participate current discussions on hot results about hawking radiation. He is not even aware of the newest literature, the state of knowledge. Why should anyone waste time in discussions with this guy?

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By: The Pinky and the Brain https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/09/emergency-proposal-for-the-un-general-assembly-%e2%80%93-66th-session-%e2%80%93-opening-these-minutes#comment-91408 Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:14:57 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2189#comment-91408 Houston, we have a problem!

Oh nonono — nonono and no! The “expected-future-2-cm-shrinking-incident” (eftwosi-theorem) is fully accepted by us. We did not ridicule this as “bizarre”. We just want to discuss the special case of CHEESE CAKE shrinking, as NO SINGLE scientist on this planet has ever proven us wrong!

We now have to test how long Pinky can hold its breath: 56 seconds! The world should know!

Sincerely,
The Pinky and the Brain

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By: Robert Houston https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/09/emergency-proposal-for-the-un-general-assembly-%e2%80%93-66th-session-%e2%80%93-opening-these-minutes#comment-91266 Mon, 19 Sep 2011 03:47:29 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2189#comment-91266 The chief judge stated to German government lawyers and others present that “It is the opinion of the court” that “safety aspects” be discussed at “a safety conference.” I described it as an “opinion.”

Unlike Hansel’s, all my quotations have been accurate and usually accompanied by a reference for checking.

The reason for mentioning the corroboration by Wikipedia of the 2 cm estimate by Rossler of Earth’s mass in a black hole is that his estimate was being ridiculed by “Pinky” and others as bizarre.

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By: Hansel https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/09/emergency-proposal-for-the-un-general-assembly-%e2%80%93-66th-session-%e2%80%93-opening-these-minutes#comment-91216 Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:02:19 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2189#comment-91216 Houston, you are really the last person on this blog who should complain about misquoting. You have a long history of selctive and non-understanding misleading quotations from several papers so please, stop this. :D

So by the way, why was it important to mention, that Rössler have correctly calculated the diameter of a black hole with the mass of the earth? Was it not the intention to present Rösslers as a kind of expert in this field he certainly is not? By the way, it would be ridiculous to do so as inserting the earths mass in a well known equation makes no one an expert.

Before I forget: The private opinion of the judge who is a person certainly not able to qualify the substance of Rösslers “theories” is not a officiial request as Rössler is trying to present it.

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By: Robert Houston https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/09/emergency-proposal-for-the-un-general-assembly-%e2%80%93-66th-session-%e2%80%93-opening-these-minutes#comment-91189 Sun, 18 Sep 2011 03:38:12 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2189#comment-91189 Hansel, put on your glasses. I wrote that Wikipedia’s 18 mm diameter for an Earth-mass black hole “confirms Dr. Rossler’s estimate” — not “his ‘theses’”. Why do you misquote?

Hansel also wrote, “Of course, the court did not make any ‘request’.” I wrote that the judge stated an “opinion”. In the presence of defense attorneys for the German government, the chief judge of the Cologne court stated “its opinion” that “safety aspects” be discussed “within the framework of a safety conference.” The opinion was certainly expressed to representatives of the German government.

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By: Otto E. Rossler https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/09/emergency-proposal-for-the-un-general-assembly-%e2%80%93-66th-session-%e2%80%93-opening-these-minutes#comment-91150 Sat, 17 Sep 2011 15:11:12 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=2189#comment-91150 http://shine.yahoo.com/event/momentsofmotherhood/laughter-is-the-best-medicine-2554317/

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