Comments on: Open letter by a Lifeboat Member to the UN Security Council

By: Otto E. Rossler

Otto E. Rossler — Sun, 04 Sep 2011 20:36:01 +0000

Thank you, dear robomoon. Allow me to repeat my yesterday’s answer to AnthonyL here, since there is no response yet from the quality media.

Dear AnthonyL:

I just realize you probably rather had in mind one of my influential detractors who after my repudiating their claims of falsification never retracted their proven-false statements. Especially Albert-Einstein-Institute co-director Nicolai (E-mail: [email protected]) would be capable of answering you in a most competent fashion. After my proving his defense of charge conservation wrong more than two years ago, he never replied again and also never retracted his outdated counterclaims. And he never responded later to my Telemach theorem after I had submitted it to him and his Institute’s journal “Einstein-online.”

This could give you the impression that he is my scientific enemy. I for my part would object to that. I am deeply obliged to Professor Nicolai because he forced me in 2009 to find a better proof of black hole non-chargedness than the one I had offered in my 2007 paper on the gothic-R theorem. If he is strong enough to prove the non-chargedness (ch) part of my Telemach theorem wrong, more than 2 years after I first sent him my pertinent proof, I shall immediately retract all my warnings against the CERN experiment. I also promise, of course, that I shall do my best to make his proof better understandable to you and the press in case he has one to offer.

Added September 4: Dear Professor Nicolai, please, be so kind as to respond. Sincerely yours, Otto E. Rossler

For science by definition is friendship. This fight with CERN is absolutely exceptional.

By: robomoon

robomoon — Sun, 04 Sep 2011 09:40:23 +0000

Biologists react more positive to religion but physicists. So this does not look like great news for some biologists, a stem cell researcher, for e.g. Nevertheless, science is just rallying with the latest high energy particle experiments to moral bankruptcy. No matter if they rally towards a temporary educational and financial prosperity, the sustainable results just matter. Next generations of prospectively living beings born as children within this Century have to pay the bill: one generation of them might have to bear the pain of becoming the last living descendants of humanity without any hope for survival or procreation. Better some kind of cult or religion to make journalists legally accountable under these immoral and dangerous circumstances instead of the fast route towards scientific progress with the unbearable existential risk for all of our only living space in this Universe. So the journalists have to be taken absolutely responsible, even when they are blogging for the church and Nobel laureate Archbishop Desmond Tutu who would not mind when defense http://www.psr.org/nuclear-weapons/blog/ending-nuclear-evil.html is getting some great cuts http://www.psr.org/nuclear-weapons/blog/how-to-save-a-quarter-of-a.html in funding; better not to gain more funding for the LHC that he values so much as known from his visit to Geneva in 2009.

By: Otto E. Rossler

Otto E. Rossler — Sat, 03 Sep 2011 08:29:17 +0000

As you know — pardon me — it is not the blindness of the scientists which I deplore, it is the blindness of the media — that is, of the ordinary citizen who does not walk into the office of his local newspaper. But of course, how should he know.

The priests of our day are the journalists. It is this sect which is responsible. I know you are the only exception.

By: Anthony L

Anthony L — Fri, 02 Sep 2011 22:38:14 +0000

“Yes. But the effect of the obedience is unprecedented.” — Prof Rossler

Not in my book, actually, the examples of huge cult behavior in science grow in number with every day of my research.

It is quite extraordinary how crowd behavior in science so often approaches the religious impulse writ large in secular dimensions such as biology and even, as we have here, physics.

Progress in science depends on countering this phenomenon.

By: Otto E. Rossler

Otto E. Rossler — Fri, 02 Sep 2011 14:33:52 +0000

This is all correct. And CERN has great merits — for example with its most recent demonstration that there is no planetary greenhouse effect (most recently in “Nature”). This is almost as important as inventing the Internet has been.

So I am not unhappy that CERN is held in great esteem. What makes me unhappy is that no one outside CERN dares remind them that there is not a single scientist on the planet who says “I can prove the Telemach theorem wrong.”

It is this illogical loyalty that is pernicious. No one will be more grateful in the long run than CERNians themselves to the single scientist who pulls them out of their self-dug hole of being paid an all too great planetary loyalty.

Comparable only to Stephen Hawking’s well-deserved fame which also prevents him from acknowledging having made one mistake in a lifetime.

By: robomoon

robomoon — Fri, 02 Sep 2011 12:17:37 +0000

A Huff Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/krisztina-holly/what-business-leaders-can_b_207751.html article from 2009 yields a publicity as if LHC leaders are like the forefront of all managers in global business. Further, a CERN http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2009/PR08.09E.html press release from 2009 yields a publicity as if LHC leaders are like the forefront of all human rights advocates in worldwide politics and religion. What natural response to any LHC leadership task will derive among the public from such publicity but only obedience and confidence? What peer pressure and some jeopardized reputation in politics and further social sectors like religion will happen to anyone of those who respond to some potentially dangerous LHC leadership tasks with logical thinking and questions about safety? It would be astonishing to find the answers in the Milgram experiment which features only one pair: leader and servant, but not many different servants and their distortions of academic group dynamics due to peer pressure and some jeopardized reputation.

By: Otto E. Rössler

Otto E. Rössler — Fri, 02 Sep 2011 06:48:53 +0000

Yes. But the effect of the obedience is unprecedented.

By: Anthony L

Anthony L — Fri, 02 Sep 2011 04:25:20 +0000

Bowing to authority and doing whatever one is told to do — even to electrocute strangers into screaming with pain — is not the kind of psychology that CERN induces,. It is more the fact that all there join in believing that any direction they are headed in must be the right one. It is more of the Rev Moon cult fantasy than the Nazi Fuhrer syndrome.

By: Otto E. Rössler

Otto E. Rössler — Thu, 01 Sep 2011 18:34:39 +0000

I had not seen the connection between the Milgram experiment and CERN before — thank you.

By: robomoon

robomoon — Thu, 01 Sep 2011 11:39:33 +0000

Remark: this message was submitted to http://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/09/why-the-lhc-wont-destroy-the-earth-still and oddly enough it was caught by a spam filter: Psychology remained stagnant for half a century, see comments at http://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/06/five-fateful-coincidences/comment-page-2 from June 24, 2011. Regarding experiments on the power of authority — see yesterday’s comments at http://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/08/open-letter-by-a-lifeboat-member-to-the-un-security-council — in terms of social influence as identified by psychologists, Prof. Herbert Kelman for e.g., stagnancy can be seen in the Stanford prison experiment from 1971. The experiment had to be stopped after just six days instead of the planned 14. Thus, see the Hofling hospital experiment from 1966 researching social influence on nurses. The psychiatrist Charles K. Hofling found that 21 out of the 22 nurses would have given the patient a dangerous overdose of medicine. So far, the deficiency of progress in psychology science also leaves scientists clueless what dangerous dose of subnuclear matter with a delayed chain reaction on molecules they could have already earned from experimentation made by some highly admired particle physicists who are only right beyond any law of logic. Short addendum: also beyond a spam filter.