Comments on: The UN Security Council Does Not Want Its Agenda to Be Known Beforehand… https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/the-un-security-council-does-not-want-its-agenda-to-be-known-beforehand Safeguarding Humanity Sat, 15 Sep 2012 10:18:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Otto E. Rossler https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/the-un-security-council-does-not-want-its-agenda-to-be-known-beforehand#comment-153717 Sat, 15 Sep 2012 10:18:12 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1983#comment-153717 Emiw wrote: “Keep it coming, writers, this is good stuff.”

Thank you, Emiw

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By: Emiw https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/the-un-security-council-does-not-want-its-agenda-to-be-known-beforehand#comment-153667 Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:17:41 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1983#comment-153667 Keep it coming, witrers, this is good stuff.

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By: Anthony L https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/the-un-security-council-does-not-want-its-agenda-to-be-known-beforehand#comment-88606 Tue, 02 Aug 2011 04:36:52 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1983#comment-88606 Professor Rossler can determine what he will do to advance his urgent plea that humanity get itself together at the official level and put CERN on a leash, mounting the conference on the safety issue regarding the LHC which CERN is trying to evade. I am merely suggesting that if he can properly answer the CERN squad here with a bunkerbuster he should do it, because otherwise many people will conclude that his whole theory is incorrect, without his agreement, it appears, on the basis of their claim that his initial premise and his later thinking are not in line with good physics or even math.

Scattershot replies are not going to preserve his credibility in the eyes of onlookers.

The statement he has produced which you refer to is the kind of thing he should deliver on this specific issue, in my opinion, so that journalists can quote it and politicians and officials can refer to it.

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By: Robert Houston https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/the-un-security-council-does-not-want-its-agenda-to-be-known-beforehand#comment-88546 Sun, 31 Jul 2011 04:57:49 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1983#comment-88546 Anthony, it is impressive how quickly Dr. Rossler has honored your request by producing a new report (“Black Holes are Different”), which in my view quite clearly and cogently presents his case against black holes at the LHC and in favor of a safety conference. It was also surprising how promptly you appended to it another patronizing bit of petty faultfinding.

For other articles, I would refer you to the website mentioned in my previous comment: http://www.lhcfacts.org/ , It opens with an overview by Dr. Rossler and gives links to some of his major articles. Particularly clear and useful is “A Rational and Moral and Spiritual Dilemma,” which summarizes seven safety concerns at the end. Also valuable is his scientific paper, “Abraham solution to Schwarzschild Metric implies that CERN miniblack holes pose a planetary risk.” There are many other worthwhile pieces by Dr. Rossler on the internet.

I disagree with your view that he is under some obligation to jump through hoops at the demand of young adversaries who merely swear and jeer in response. Whether or not any of the commenters are physicists, their lack of civility would disqualify them from serious scientific discussion or reply.

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By: Anthony L https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/the-un-security-council-does-not-want-its-agenda-to-be-known-beforehand#comment-88502 Sat, 30 Jul 2011 04:46:06 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1983#comment-88502 “fears about the LHC IN terms”, sorry.

By the way, it is reported that Wheeler and Professor Rossler were friendly colleagues. Did they ever write any paper together?

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By: Anthony L https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/the-un-security-council-does-not-want-its-agenda-to-be-known-beforehand#comment-88501 Sat, 30 Jul 2011 04:37:44 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1983#comment-88501 “answers their objections” refers to the CERN squad, of course

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By: Anthony L https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/the-un-security-council-does-not-want-its-agenda-to-be-known-beforehand#comment-88500 Sat, 30 Jul 2011 04:34:49 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1983#comment-88500 “It would appear that Anthony has read little, if any, of Dr. Rossler’s articles concerning the danger of black hole production at the LHC.”

It would appear that Houston has not read and understood what I wrote, so I can only advise him to read the relevant posts above and on the other threads initiated by Professor Rossler (eg http://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/food-for-my-detractors-all-my-scientic-results-in-a-nutshell/comment-page-1#comment-88497 in reply to another firing of your revolver without removing it from your holster to aim it properly) before accusing me of “lashing out” at Professor Rossler.

As the good Professor apparently appreciates better I am merely asking him to clarify what he says here in response to the CERN kids and in supporting fears about the LHC is terms which can be quoted and conveyed by journalists to readers who have no scientific background, which is what journalist do, so that he can gain the respect he needs to influence policy.

There is nothing “confusing” about the exchange so far. It is partly incomprehensible to physics outsiders, and partly answers their objections in terms that they do not accept.

Physics is not a private system subjectively and differently understood by each person who wishes to theorize in it. It is like any other science something confirmed by measurements in the external world which act to justify or deny the speculations of any theorists as to how the external world works.

Whether Professor Rosslers theorizing makes sense in these terms has presumably been established up to some point, and can be stated clearly to get rid of any “confusion” or doubts as to whether he is a reliable authority, which the CERN kids here like to encourage.

Which of his papers which you have read would you recommend as having persuaded you that he knows what he is talking about, in which journals, and how have they been referenced by colleagues in the field? If you have any that impressed you state the link here and state why you are impressed.

That would be more useful than repeating your belief in the Professor’s integrity and insight without explaining why other than it coincides with your own persuasion that the LHC needs further safety review,as Rossler says it does. Unless you occupy some position of prominence in the field that you can tell us, your opinion cannot be quoted by a journalist to back up Professor Rossler’s authority.

Ultimately though it is as I stated above, up to Professor Rossler to supply journalists with proper quotes here to show readers why they should take him seriously. Why wouldn’t you agree with that request? Surely you do not lack faith in the good Professor’s ability to supply them?

If you do then perhaps you yourself could supply quotes and more from his papers with which you are familiar, to assist reporters in doing their job reporting accurately on his credentials and his theoretical conclusions.

Or do you consider that his statenent at http://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/food-for-my-detractors-all-my-scientic-results-in-a-nutshell/comment-page-1#comment-88497 is sufficient?

If you do perhaps you would like to translate it into English of the kind the average politician or official can understand.

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By: Otto E. Rossler https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/the-un-security-council-does-not-want-its-agenda-to-be-known-beforehand#comment-88482 Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:50:55 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1983#comment-88482 I take your word very seriously, Anthony L, and so I take robomoon’s. Thank you both. I shall try.

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By: robomoon https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/the-un-security-council-does-not-want-its-agenda-to-be-known-beforehand#comment-88458 Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:11:37 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1983#comment-88458 Thank you very much, Sir Houston, you told what responsible press agencies should have published before. Sorry, but the press had a helping hand by potentially hateful bloggers who were naturally more in favor of supporting one LHC from noble Internet inventors but one LHC from governmental investors who are just funding research equipment and related services to keep some financial profits up somewhere we do not know where, how, and who it really is or was who sells or sold. Oh no, I do not have a wrong idea about bloggers, I am commenting to them much. No need to buy my thought, but I must ask the question: which LHC of both mentioned above is the real one? In here, we only know so far that investors from one LHC failed to support global safety while the press has shown its incompetency to overrule the bloggers in their ability to involve Prof. Rossler and various other responsible scientists themselves on practically quite a daily base. And the UN has not chosen to get over to global politics. Now, a leading group with our world in their hands are obviously the physicists incl. their educational elite and their allies in industry and finance. Not good for survival. For security there must have been more qualified experimenters in psychology science and less qualified physics experimenters doing their job in greater labs. This is the worst time of psychological instability with an existential risk for one final consequence — unfortunately not only traumatic but completely fatal in highest potency. Even when I am not usually going after this thing, posting comments between a scientific discussion so often in time, I must do, because we want life being alive. Therefore, also thank you to any scientist who alarmed about nuclear experiments decades ago.

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By: Robert Houston https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/the-un-security-council-does-not-want-its-agenda-to-be-known-beforehand#comment-88430 Fri, 29 Jul 2011 04:32:47 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1983#comment-88430 It would appear that Anthony has read little, if any, of Dr. Rossler’s articles concerning the danger of black hole production at the LHC. Most of these articles are clearly written and cogently presented in regard to substantive safety concerns (see links are at LHCfacts.org). Dr. Rossler is the only scientist with the insight, integrity and courage to speak out publicly over time on what may be a major threat to future of our world. Ultimately, he deserves the gratitude and support of all people and nations for his noble efforts to alert us to the danger.

Rather than acknowledge being part of a journalistic dereliction in having made little effort to find and read and understand Dr. Rossler’s writings, Anthony apparently prefers to lash out at Rossler as being the inadequate one and to join the gang of detractors, most of whom seem motivated to defend CERN at all costs for their own career reasons.

It’s easy to see why someone could be confused by the discussion at Lifeboat, for the gang of detractors has concentrated monotonously on the form and terms of single equation, isolated from all context and meaning. One would suppose from the hundreds of snippy comments about Eq. 1 that there was a fundamental disagreement with Rossler, but as TRMG asknowledged, there isn’t any. Apparently, no one disagrees with Rossler and Einstein and DESY that time slows down in the lower part of an accelerating rocket — the basic point that Eq. 1 was expressing.

According to physicists of DESY, “a clock attached to the rocket’s ceiling (i.e. furthest from the motor) ages faster than a clock attached to its floor… Einstein postulated that any experiment done in a real gravitational field…will give a result indistinguishable from the same experiment done in an accelerating rocket, so the idea that the rocket’s ceiling ages faster than its floor (and that includes the ageing of any bugs sitting on these) transfers to gravity… This difference…has been verified experimentally” (DESY, The Relativistic Rocket, pp. 3–4).

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