Comments on: CERN by Not Updating Its Three-Years-Old Safety Page Compromises the Quoted Scientists https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/cern-by-not-updating-its-three-years-old-safety-page-compromises-the-quoted-scientists Safeguarding Humanity Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:31:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Hansel https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/cern-by-not-updating-its-three-years-old-safety-page-compromises-the-quoted-scientists#comment-87793 Tue, 19 Jul 2011 11:31:12 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1931#comment-87793 Rössler tries to avoid again serious questions:
http://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/cern%E2%80%99s-last-media-gag-the-korean-two-fingers-gang

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By: Anthony L https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/cern-by-not-updating-its-three-years-old-safety-page-compromises-the-quoted-scientists#comment-87776 Tue, 19 Jul 2011 00:49:05 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1931#comment-87776 Its the consequences of the basic algebra, PAssingBy, that matter, and by the way, algebra is not “low”. It is delightfully shorn of human emotion of the baser kind.

The consequence of whether Rossler is right or wrong is the issue, not whether irresponsible schoolboys at CERN managed to pull the wool over the eyes of the untutored and overly awed media.

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By: PassingByAgain https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/cern-by-not-updating-its-three-years-old-safety-page-compromises-the-quoted-scientists#comment-87774 Tue, 19 Jul 2011 00:25:53 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1931#comment-87774 Alas, the level of this discussion has progressively stooped to the level of basic algebra, and could hardly be lower than this — if you can’t follow it I am afraid it is your problem. As for the other 6.9 billion, are you becoming as delusional as Rossler? Nobody cares about this anymore! Rossler had his fifteen minutes of fame in the summer of 2008, until actual scientists looked into his “theories”, concluded that they are a pile of crap, and everybody moved on.

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By: Anthony L https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/cern-by-not-updating-its-three-years-old-safety-page-compromises-the-quoted-scientists#comment-87772 Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:57:07 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1931#comment-87772 “Anthony: stop preaching. You are indeed wasting your (and our) time, trying to shift the focus of this discussion away from the only thing worth discussing here: the correctness of Rossler’s formulae.”

No, I was trying to get you and others to state your critique in terms which others can follow without deconstructing it and then reassembling it in intelligible terms, and to make it complete, and therefore convincing if Rossler doesn’t answer it directly.

The focus on style in this case is the focus on clarity, evidence, logic and dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s, unalloyed by distracting barking, growling, yapping, and trouser gripping. So that your triumphant victory or embarrassing defeat is visible to all who need to appreciate it, in this case the 6.9 billion other inhabitants of the planet.

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By: PassingByAgain https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/cern-by-not-updating-its-three-years-old-safety-page-compromises-the-quoted-scientists#comment-87770 Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:23:21 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1931#comment-87770 Besides, weren’t you supposed to come back and explain to me why units are not important? What made you change your mind?

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By: PassingByAgain https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/cern-by-not-updating-its-three-years-old-safety-page-compromises-the-quoted-scientists#comment-87769 Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:21:01 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1931#comment-87769 Anthony: stop preaching. You are indeed wasting your (and our) time, trying to shift the focus of this discussion away from the only thing worth discussing here: the correctness of Rossler’s formulae.

Rossler: “You made a mockery out of my politeness by demanding I should, in two equal dimensionless ratios, give answers about the relation between the respective cross units.”

What are you saying now? It sounds totally incoherent, but I guess that you are still referring to the equation “sigma/ tau = T_tail/ T_tip = const.” (but “the respective cross units”? go figure!) Anyway, as long as you keep repeating yourself, I’ll keep doing the same (and I should warn you that I don’t tire easily):

the equation “sigma/ tau = T_tail/ T_tip = const.” is simply what you get if you *assume* that your eq.(1) and Einstein’s eq.(30a) are both correct, and you combine them. As such, this equation provides *zero* information on whether eq.(1) is correct. Moreover, it does not provide a definition for T, thus we cannot use it to decide whether eq.(2) is correct.

If you want this discussion to progress, you MUST provide a mathematical definition of T, in terms of some other quantity whose meaning is not ambiguous. Therefore:

What is the relation between the variable T_tip in your eq.(1) and the variable sigma in Einstein’s eq.(30a)?

“So everyone who contributed actively to the mockery will not get any answer from me any more (unless they apologize).”

What is this, another cheap attempt to evade the questions? Not that we got any answers from you so far…

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By: Anthony L https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/cern-by-not-updating-its-three-years-old-safety-page-compromises-the-quoted-scientists#comment-87768 Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:10:07 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1931#comment-87768 @Hansellll absolutely agree, both sides have to dot the i’s and cross the t’s.

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By: Hanselllll https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/cern-by-not-updating-its-three-years-old-safety-page-compromises-the-quoted-scientists#comment-87767 Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:05:44 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1931#comment-87767 Anthony, it is the other way around. very person with a little bit of scientific training sees easily that Rössler avoids to define even the basic equations.

To discuss papers it is importnat to know exactly the definitions and dimensions of every part of it. Original thinking does not replace clear and precise defintions. And you should really ask yourself why Rössler is not able to give a short and clear answer to the same basic questions as four weeks ago.

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By: Anthony L https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/cern-by-not-updating-its-three-years-old-safety-page-compromises-the-quoted-scientists#comment-87766 Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:04:50 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1931#comment-87766 This is page 6 of Comments

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By: Hanselllll https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/07/cern-by-not-updating-its-three-years-old-safety-page-compromises-the-quoted-scientists#comment-87765 Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:00:45 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1931#comment-87765 Rössler, what is the dimension of the T now?

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