Comments on: Idiotic Blunder Behind Risked Planet https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/06/idiotic-blunder-behind-risked-planet Safeguarding Humanity Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:13:42 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 By: robomoon https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/06/idiotic-blunder-behind-risked-planet#comment-87347 Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:13:42 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1903#comment-87347 Does anyone know if the Russian Security Council could be helpful? See International organization participation at http://www.mongabay.com/history/russia/russia-the_security_council_the_president.html listing CERN.

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By: Otto E. Rossler https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/06/idiotic-blunder-behind-risked-planet#comment-87238 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 09:26:26 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1903#comment-87238 Every scientist is autistic.

Internal pecking between the critics is counterproductive.

Every bit of potential evidence against any of the (false-proven) safety arguments is fine in its own right. But: the less cogent the result in question, or the less important the safety argument it puts into question is, the more the strategy of procrastination followed by CERN is being helped. Right? The most precious resource is the running-out time.

Much more important, therefore: Did anyone hear from the Security Council as of yet? CERN is called up to respond to this no longer secret news.

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By: AnthonyL https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/06/idiotic-blunder-behind-risked-planet#comment-87227 Tue, 12 Jul 2011 01:50:30 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1903#comment-87227 The Rothman paper did not make ad hominem negative remarks about Rossler, it criticized his work — as “crackpot” and “calculating nothing” and “nonsensical” and “proving nothing at all.” He actually said he was an “eminent chemist.”

Let’s note that Rothman criticized the physics community even more damningly for its arrogance dismissal of any outsiders dealing with public concerns, its peddling of a false safety argument (Cosmic Ray 1), and its ignoring that Vilkovisky could be right and if he was (saying that mBHs would evaporate only half their mass) we would have to deal with the fact that Hawking forgot to account for the effect of black hole radiation on the spacetime in which it took place, and find new safety arguments beyond Hawking radiation guaranteeing they would go pop! before they did any damage.

Rothman said that safety concerns will arise even more often in the future and we should deal with them by lining up a panel of physicists to examine them properly, instead of their current strategm of skipping the whole issue as tiresome and liable to put a spanner in the works of the LHC.

Rossler thinks that it would only take a week to put a proper safety review committee together, so it wouldn’t interrupt the LHC very long. Rothman + Rossler = do it.

Incidentally Vilkovisky has his own psychological problems, having become a serious recluse. All these guys are probably what the average hockey mother would call “autistic”.

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By: Otto E. Rössler https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/06/idiotic-blunder-behind-risked-planet#comment-86722 Sun, 03 Jul 2011 06:44:36 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1903#comment-86722 Thank you, Robert Houston.

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By: Robert Houston https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/06/idiotic-blunder-behind-risked-planet#comment-86708 Sun, 03 Jul 2011 03:26:50 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1903#comment-86708 @ Robomoon:
The article by Tony Rothman of Princeton that you cite concerning Russian physicist Vilkovisky is not a wise choice, for it contains cheap, ad hominem slurs about Prof. Rossler. The one to cite is the more recent paper by J. Larena and Rothman, “Quasi-evaporating black holes and cold dark matter,” (Astrophysics and Space Science 337:71–76, 2010). They support Dr. Vilkovisky in his finding “that black holes lose only ten percent of their mass to Hawking radiation before evaporation ceases” (Abs).
See: http://arxiv.org/abs/0911.2368v3

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By: robomoon https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/06/idiotic-blunder-behind-risked-planet#comment-86521 Fri, 01 Jul 2011 20:04:45 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1903#comment-86521 Please try to put physicists like Grigory Vilkovisky as featured at http://press.princeton.edu/blog/2009/02/02/metaphysics-apocalypse-cern in the focus, this will keep you on track for an enforcement of the Security Conference.

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By: Otto E. Rossler https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/06/idiotic-blunder-behind-risked-planet#comment-86518 Fri, 01 Jul 2011 19:10:06 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1903#comment-86518 Dear robomoon:
I am sure you will be in their focus. At the moment though, it is not any one of us but the planet, right?

Dear riskalert:
It is the initials of a person who is close to my heart even though no longer among us.

Forgive me the involuntary delay, I was abroad.

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By: riskalert https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/06/idiotic-blunder-behind-risked-planet#comment-86434 Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:31:01 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1903#comment-86434 “For J.O.R.”

Who is J.O.R.?

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By: robomoon https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/06/idiotic-blunder-behind-risked-planet#comment-86349 Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:36:57 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1903#comment-86349 Sorry, I forgot to ask: have you already contacted the Nobel committee for us?

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By: robomoon https://lifeboat.com/blog/2011/06/idiotic-blunder-behind-risked-planet#comment-86348 Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:34:26 +0000 http://lifeboat.com/blog/?p=1903#comment-86348 We will kindly wait for a sufficiently positive response from the Nobel committee and also for Mr. Kruel’s new advice. Thank you very much.

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